Venus Project?

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Takeshi Kovacs
Number 613
Conspirator for: 15 years 13 weeks
Posted on: April 23, 2010 - 9:17am

I keep seeing videos on YouTube and people mentioning Zeitgeist and the Venus project, and i was a little worried about this, because it appears to be kind of popular, and it looks like some high-tech communism. It has me worried a bit, because many people believe "capitalism" is the cause of the financial crisis. Now there is some girl on YouTube with a Venus project challenge thing(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7l3aGOuc0s). Anyway, what do you guys think about all of this?

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renegade_division
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Conspirator for: 15 years 22 weeks
Posted on: April 23, 2010 - 1:53pm #1

Its not a new movement its actually a very old movement, its called 'Technocracy', all technocratic people have is visions of a future, and end stage but no pathway to that stage.

 

What Venus project people wanna say is that monetary system is to be blamed for all our poverty, make no mistake I would say the same thing, but what they wanna say is lets remove monetary system and use technology instead to provide us with what we really want. The problem is what they are saying is nothing but how Socialists want Central planners to plan everything and provide everything what people want(so its techno-socialism, not techno-communism, except it doesn't really aims, or at least talks about equality of wages and supply).

A lot of people in liberty movement(a common thing about these people, they jumped on to the liberty movement directly with no transitioning ideology, like they never were fooled by socialism), like Venus Project, but its just bullshit, these people also don't understand Austrian Economics or why Socialism does not work on paper(though I haven't asked them but I bet if I ask them 'if I give you a society full of completely and perpetually honest and devoted people who never bitch and whine about redistribution of capital, do you think socialism would succeed in such a society?', and they would answer it yes).

Almost nobody in Venus Project understand the problem of economic calculation(as first written about by Ludwig Von Mises against Socialism).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

It took me 6 months to explain that to a Socialist, but when I explained that problem to him and he understood he just couldn't be a Socialist anymore(he is like a hardcore Austrian economist now, and has even written an introductory book to Economics). The problem of Economic calculation in a non-market society is such a strong point against them that its worth reading the whole debate about. 

http://mises.org/pdf/econcalc.pdf

 

Even if I were to be completely open to their ideas, unless they don't answer how they will rationally plan the resources like a market economy does, there is no way I can embrace that.


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Posted on: April 27, 2010 - 4:09pm #2

Mises' entire theory is based in a market system, where he demonstrates that money and wealth cannot be distributed and price cannot be artificially set - as it would destroy the economy. This simply does not apply to the Venus project because there is no monetary system, no market system, and no wealth to distribute and thus, no economy to destroy. It's a simple as that.

The Venus project is based on access to tools and resources for all mankind. 

Technocracy was on the right track, but they started decades ago, before the internet and instant worldwide communication, and have since become caught up in rhetoric.