Trade War Between Brazil and the US

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Posted on: March 9, 2010 - 12:51am

From the Financial Times (Kindle U.S. edition):

Brazil today takes another step towards a final showdown with the US in its long-running battle over cotton subsidies when it releases a list of about 50 American products it will punish with higher tariffs. Last year, Brazil won an eight-year long battle at the World Trade Organisation against the US after arguing that its cotton producers had been unfairly hurt by illegal subsidies to US cotton farmers. Brazil has already published a preliminary list of more than 200 US products on which it may raise tariffs as a result of the WTO victory, from sardines and cherries to shampoo and sunglasses to medical equipment, as well as cotton itself. Today, Brazil will announce a final, narrower list of 50 products – worth about $560m (€411m, £370bn) in total – that are slated for punishment. Those retaliatory measures will take effect in April. In addition, Brazil is expected this month to lay out its plans to impose a further $270m in penalties on the US through so-called “cross-retaliation”, which involves a tightening of non-tariff trade restrictions. Such a move, which is only rarely authorised by the WTO, would allow Brazil to take action over intellectual property rights, breaking patents in key sectors such as technology and pharmaceuticals. When Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, visited Brazil last week, much of the attention was focused on the disagreement between the two countries over imposing sanctions against Iran. But in a sign that a deal over the cotton dispute was becoming urgent, Mrs Clinton said she would dispatch two high-level officials to Brazil to discuss what further concessions the US could make in order to avoid retaliation. “There is time for us to resolve this in a peaceful and productive without further action,” Mrs Clinton said. The US measures attacked by Brazil in the WTO case involve direct subsidies to cotton farmers to protect them from price fluctuations in the global market as well as a loan guarantee programme designed to bolster credit for international buyers of American cotton. The programmes have already been modified during the course of the trade dispute and it remained unclear what the terms of a new deal would be. Large-scale changes to US cotton subsidies would probably involve modifications to agricultural legislation – a difficult request to Congress in a very tough US political climate. The US is the world’s largest exporter of cotton, with Texas and Georgia being the biggest producers. “We hoped the US would present a proposal that would include complying with the WTO ruling,” said Carlos Marcio Cozendey, head of the economics division at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. “We know this depends on Congress and can take time so we have always said we are open to negotiations. But so far we have had various indications they are willing to negotiate, but no proposals.” Meanwhile, media reports in Brazil suggested an agreement might involve technology transfer from the US to Brazilian cotton farmers. The office of the US trade representative and the US department of agriculture declined to comment. “We have reached the endgame stage and the US is clearly engaged in trying to work with Brazil to come up with a solution that is agreeable to both sides,” says Peter DeShazo, director of the Americas programme at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think-tank. If the negotiations fail, it may not only harm US interests, but also Brazil, according to Joao Paulo Viega of the Institute of International Relations at São Paulo University. “It would be very bad for Brazil,” Mr Viega said. “It opens a bad precedent and it’s not in our tradition to take advantage of this kind of ruling.”

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Posted on: March 9, 2010 - 6:15pm #1

Although I sympathize with the main point being made about the US government's protectionism, I have to scoff at the last quote from Mr. Viega.  "...it's not in our tradition to take advantage of this kind of ruling."  Most of my career has involved helping companies navigate Brazil's overly complicated taxation rules and protectionist policies.  There's more than a bit of kettle-calling going on (which I'm sure surprises no one here).

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Posted on: March 10, 2010 - 2:30am #2

Hahaha.  Typical bureaucrat (I guess in this case academic).  Why punish your own consumers by raising prices on imports?  Oh, but, regretfully, it must be done.  Hogwash!  Good call, Stephen.


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Posted on: November 16, 2010 - 5:26pm #3

So, as an update to this thread.  The US has agreed to subsidize Brazilian farmers until the US Farm Subsidy legislation can be adressed.  It is something on the order of 150 million a year if I remember correctly.

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Posted on: December 1, 2010 - 10:55pm #4

I think that's right there in Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constititution isn't it:  The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, and to subsidize Brazilian farmers. 

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Posted on: December 1, 2010 - 11:20pm #5

Holy CRAP!

I didn't know this!

You guys cover so many subjects, it's awesome. Of course, the subject makes me sick, I'd much prefer it if we could spend our time researching even mroe cool music or books, tv, movies, whatever, but, of course, government (AKA legalized criminality) pushes those pursuits aside due to its agression.

We have to talk about this subsidy! I should mention it to the listeners in a new pod, and it would be cool to get some of you guys on in a skype group conversation soon!

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Posted on: December 2, 2010 - 9:55am #6

You never seem to run out of good ideas, Gman! :)

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Posted on: December 2, 2010 - 10:58pm #7

Gardner Goldsmith wrote:

We have to talk about this subsidy! I should mention it to the listeners in a new pod, and it would be cool to get some of you guys on in a skype group conversation soon!

I'd be up for it for if anyone's interested.  I'm traveling a lot right now though - just got back from Brazil, as a matter of fact - so don't let me keep you if you can pull something together with the others.

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Posted on: December 2, 2010 - 5:07am #8

This story is a shocker man! or as G-man might say "Bad mojo" 4 trade!

On an unrelated note, I turned some of my friends onto the TSA / wikleaks and monsanto story via fb! The bird is the word, or rather the word is spreading heh!

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Posted on: December 3, 2010 - 12:02pm #9

I'd be into some good conversation.  I haven't used Skype yet but I'd give it a shot.  I'm out in the stix with satellite internet, hopefully there's no latency issues. 


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Posted on: December 3, 2010 - 1:00pm #10

Skype is great. I use it quite a bit to keep up with international friends. If any of you have Skype, feel free to add me. My handle there is "jackie_fiest".

Yea, I know, seriously lacking in creativitiy. lol


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That Guy
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Posted on: January 3, 2011 - 11:08am #11

There is a Planet Money podcast for it if you folks care.


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Posted on: June 9, 2012 - 7:07am #12

Skype is a great. I use itbit to keep up with intermational friends.


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jakcy52
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Posted on: September 20, 2012 - 8:11am #13

we have reached the end game stage and the us is clearly engaged in trying to work with brazil to come up with a solution that is aggrable to both side ,


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JamesonD
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Posted on: September 24, 2012 - 6:57am #14

With all the respect to Brazil - everyone can see the result of this war now. My proper essay on it is written now and thoughts are clear.