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Redistribution of wealth = cynical and hateful
A friend of mine posted this and I really enjoyed, so I wanted to share. Another one of my libertarian role models...
Penn Jillete is awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYBoi8NVyBk&feature=player_embedded
I agree, it's hatefulm cynical and theft.
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Jackie Fiest
Great link Jackie. I just wanted to let everyone know that I was told (on a progressive forum) that the term "wealth redistribution" is a pejorative term. They prefer we use the term "wealth recirculation" because it reflects the cycle of taking money from the rich, giving it to the poor, who then end up ineviatably giving it back to the rich.
So let's all be mindful of whether we hurt the feelings of the brutal, debased, cowardly, hateful, thieving bastards who want to use force to take what doesn't belong to them.
Remember, it's "wealth recirculation", not "wealth redistribution". (And "plundering" is right out.)
Great link Jackie. I just wanted to let everyone know that I was told (on a progressive forum) that the term "wealth redistribution" is a pejorative term. They prefer we use the term "wealth recirculation" because it reflects the cycle of taking money from the rich, giving it to the poor, who then end up ineviatably giving it back to the rich.
Dude, that's the same thing I said on Gard's show. It's so stupid that they agree that's basically what happens, but they still push for it, and steal from people anyway.
Great link. I agree with Penn, on this, 100%. However, I lost an enormous amount of respect for him (and Teller) with their Bulls*** show where they "debunked" conspiracy theories.
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I think its being forgotten that not all libertarians oppose the redistribution of wealth
How much geolibertarians might dress it up they do believe in the redistribution of wealth as a means of compensation for the theft or lack of access to land & natural resources.
Though geolibertarianism was a concept born in the United States its become particular to Britain & I don’t expect Penn & Teller to be dedicating an edition of Bullshit to the concept.
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Yea, we had another member of the forum who claimed to be a "geolibertarian" leave recently. And, I do have to admit, I don't see how you can be a libertarian and support a government stealing other peoples private property. That kind of government aggression on the individual seems to go against every principal I've ever learned as it relates to libertarianism.
Hey Jackie:
Check this link out, describing how Proudhon and Kropotkin were originally considered libertarians, but Rothbard and the Old Right co-opted the term for An-cap purposes.
http://su.pr/2rYXO7
I hope you’re sitting down when you read this Jackie because it might come as something of a shock that some people think differently as some people reach different conclusions etc. People have the right to think differently because people have the right of free choice. All libertarians (including geolibertarians) bleat on about free choice, but I’ve notice particularly with royal libertarians that they often come off sounding as if people don’t have the right to disagree with them.
You’ve also made the common mistake folk from the US make & that is thinking that all culture homogenised. What’s applicable to the US might not necessarily applicable to Britain & of course vice-versa. There is historical justification in Britain for georgism &I’ve found that geolibertarianism as a whole is more palatable to people then anarcho-capitalism.
And I would gather, that if all geolibertarians are as rude as you are, it's no wonder it's not well accepted. At no point did I say people were required to agree with me. I'm extremely new to libertarian/anarcho-libertarian views so I'm the last person people should be looking to for talking points. I simply stated my own opinion. If your so frustrated with the lack of acceptance for your own beliefs that you have to be so callous to total strangers, you may want to go find other like minded people to talk to rather than spending your time at a place where you are apparently reading stuff that is so frustrating to you.
I'm not bothered whether geolibertarianism is acceptable to you or not, I just though I'd make the point that not all libertarians were in agreement over the issue of redistribing wealth
Well, I think that wealth redistribution or wealth recirculation is just one of government's tricks to make people believe that there's a justice and wealthy people will pay more taxes and share their money with the poor. To my mind, I do not think that it can work in real life, but the sense of the idea is very strong. One of the advantages of the US it was the we had a strong middle class, but with today's economy we can see that this less and less people we can ralate to this middle class, we can see poor people who can not get out of debts and a wealthy class.
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I think that weath redistribution is just of govermment trick people believe that there is a wealthy people will pay taxes
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One of the advantages of the US it was the we had a strong middle class, but with today's economy we can see that this less and less people we can ralate to this middle class, we can seepoor people who can get out of debts and a wealthy class.
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Good point. The populism of absolving a certain "class" (which is really a feudal European term that shouldn't even be used in the US, but politicians get a lot of traction by using it) of its debts has been around for a long time. Sickening how bad it is today. then there's the corporate welfare and mercantilism (government giving favors to businesses at the expense of consumers) that occurs. All the meddling does is mess up the economy!
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Good point. The populism of absolving a certain "class" (which is really a feudal European term that shouldn't even be used in the US, but politicians get a lot of traction by using it) of its debts has been around for a long time. Sickening how bad it is today. then there's the corporate welfare and mercantilism (government giving favors to businesses at the expense of consumers) that occurs. All the meddling does is mess up the economy!
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Agreed. The only debt that anyone should be absolved of is the debt that they never contracted for. Right now, people of all classes (sorry) are paying interest on government debt. This interest go to bondholders who are generally middle and upper class (sorry again). It's a wealth transfer. Of course, the inflation tax is also a wealth transfer from the poor and middle class to the elite, not all wealthy people. It seems that opposition to the inflation tax doesn't get much traction in the fake-left-populist movement.