Pope Urges Forming New World Economic Order

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Posted on: July 7, 2009 - 11:05pm

The title should be scary.  

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08pope.html?_r=3&em

 

After reading the article, I can't decide if it's all as bad as the Times made it sound with that title, though it's probably safe to assume that it is...  Looks to me like yet another misdirected attempt at getting morals into the world.  You can read his talk and, aside from probably needing a few economic lessons, you might agree with the things he wishes would be addressed.  

 

But then you come to the kicker-  These social changes should not be brought on by more respectable people entering these diverse fields or through market deregulation and the breaking of fascist bonds with the State.  No, it should be brought about by a NWO economic machine which will rule all with an iron fist.

 

What say you, fellow Conspirators?


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Posted on: July 8, 2009 - 2:31am #1

It sounds like an obliteration of Seperation of Church and state on a global scale to start with! 

Any proposed body of this type would have to deal with the issues of seperation of church and state if it were to be forcibly instituted as a supra-level governing body in the style of the EU over all Governments of the world. I maybe extrapolating on that but NWEO sounds allot like a supra-level governing body over all others, as most Big Government approaches have demonstrably failed, it would seem only a matter of time before this fails to if it takes the same paternalist Big Brother approach as Big Government does.

The key questions to ask of such a proposal lay in the following six questions: 

  • Who will be its figure head? (UN/or non UN entity and/or person) 
  • Who will lead/dominate it? (will it be at a political-philisophical-economic or religious level)
  • How will this proposal alter the pre-existing global power balance?
  • Will it be used to interfere with individual liberty as per political/religious and-or philisophical fiat?
  • How will this effect my individual liberty?
  • Will it be aimed a super-imposing a particular type of morality that rewards those that comply and punishes those that don't comply?

Novak said it best:

"I like limited government. I would much prefer to have many limited governments than one overriding authority," Mr. Novak said by telephone.

Regardless of differences of opinion regarding how limited Government should be achieved, this proposal seems like the mother of all Big Government approaches. 

After all if a New World Economic Order were placed as an over-arching governing body over all other nations, it would be impossible to excercise the freedom of one's conscience whether in personal,business or religious matters.

There would obviously be supra-level Government dictates, controls and fiat that would regulate certain areas of one's life that would include personal,business and religious freedoms.

This would ofcause depend on the philisophical objectives of the entity imposing itself.

Big Gubment is still Bad Gubment. Hopefully it is opposed by those that still believe in the sort of freedom that the United States of America was founded upon. 

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Posted on: July 8, 2009 - 2:02pm #2

Great stuff and of course I totally agree.  It's quite shocking for me to see something like this even be suggested on this "level" but I really shouldn't be surprised.  No offense meant to any Catholic individuals on here, but the Catholic Church seems (in my limited knowledge) to have a truly remarkable history of melding itself with the State.


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HOO-HAA
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Posted on: July 8, 2009 - 9:31am #3

He criticized the current economic system, "where the pernicious effects of sin are evident,"

To be frank, listening to morality lessons from a man who represents perhaps the most infamous nest of child molesters is simply astounding. Not to mention the decades of witch-hunting.

All that aside, I believe ANY organised religion offers the same challenges that organised politics present.

Most organised religions work on reward vs penalty for worship/ rejection of a specified deity/ holy man.

For example - just remove 'gun in the room' and replace with 'eternity in hellfire' and you're good to go with one gloriously, almighty dictator within fundamentalist xianity.

I'm an atheist (did you guess? lol). However, even if undeniable proof of the xian deity (as detailed in the bible) was to suddenly and miraculously appear, I would still oppose his authority on the same basis of morality that I oppose the authority of any dictator's government.  

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Posted on: August 13, 2009 - 3:00am #4

Hoo-haa: I was just having a very similar discussion with my wife on this very topic.  If God is an authoritarian, then he an I will be parting ways.

I believe in God, but if God is an authoritarian dictator type, compelling people to bow down, then he and I will part company, and I will glad to spend my eternal life in outer darkness as a hermit.

 


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Posted on: July 15, 2009 - 5:23pm #5

Thanks, I hadn't seen that particular story.  Most of the press coverage I had seen focused instead on the pro-life elements of the treatise and the obvious disagreements between the Church and President Obama over issues such as abortion and embryonic stem-cell research.  But in his encyclical the Pope spends as much (if not more) time on globalization and the current economic crisis, and in this respect he and Obama are like two peas in a pod.  Both demonstrate the same profound ignorance of basic economics, and both prescribe bigger, more powerful government as the cure for what ails us.  Throughout the treatise, the Pope completely ignores the coercion upon which all state action is based – a troubling oversight from someone who supposedly spends every waking hour wrestling with issues of ethics and morality.

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