My (failed) attempt to reach out to progressives.
My recent foray into the thomhartmann.com message board has lead me to conclude that progressives are hopeless. A few months ago, I registered for thomhartmann.com in the hopes of bring progressives over to the libertarian dark side. As an aside, I don't care much for Thom Hartmann. He interviewed FTL's Ian during the Ron Paul campaign. Instead of asking him questions about the campaign and why Ian was supporting Paul, he deviated into a discussion of anarchism. I thought it was very dishonest. He also did a similar thing with Andrew Napolitano.
Anyway, back to my experiences on the progressive message board. I though I would be able to find common ground with progs. on the issues of war, civil liberties, separation of church and state as well as any other issues that are erroneously associated with the "Left". Using those commonalites (sp?), I figured that I could educate them on free market economics. Wow!, was I wrong. In general, most of them associate free market economics with the conservative/Republican establishment. Any mention of the free market and I was immediated put into the "far right", "right-wing", "corporatist" and even fascist camp. Fakes like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck et al. have so poisoned the well that many on the left think that the free market is just a cover for fascism. I met the newbie, stevo_dubc over there. Hopefully, he can vouch for me when I say that I stuck to issues, asked clear concise questions, and refrained from ad homimen. The majority of board members either would not answer questions directly and/or would question motives.
To top things off, these people were not so good on the issues like war and civil liberties. Socialism/fascism in domestic policy is their overriding concern.
Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it
In the past men created witches: now they create mental patients.
Relinquish liberty for the purposes of defense in an emergency?
Why? It would seem that in an emergency, of all times, one needs
his greatest strength. So if liberty is strength and slavery is weakness,
liberty is a necessity rather than a luxury, and we can ill afford
to be without it—least of all during an emergency.