Logical argument against the Federal Healthcare Plan

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renegade_division
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Posted on: June 25, 2009 - 5:53pm

I generally use this argument with people who really aren't Socialist/Liberal but more like moderates and the only reason why they think they should support a Single payer healthcare system is because it will be cheaper that way. And it never fails.

There is one of the following reasons why medical insurance costs are so high in America:
1) The medical insurance companies are just charging super high costs to make more profits(because they are evil and greedy). If this is the case then the Government should just create another health insurance agency which will not be evil and greedy, and not be a part of any price gouging cartel. And this govt medical insurance agency will be charging really less fees(only to make minimum profits possible) so everyone in America will rush towards this insurance agency thereby driving down the insurance costs for every medical insurance company.

2) The private medical insurance companies are just inefficient and cannot do the job they way Federal government would do. If this is the case then again the govt should launch their competing health insurance agency which will do the job more efficiently, there by charging less and everyone in America will run towards this agency and other private health insurance agencies will either be kicked out, or be forced to be more efficient.

3) The massive amount of regulations on Insurance sector, makes it impossible for health insurance agencies to charge less fees and follow them at the same time. If this is the case (which probably it is) then there is no way a Nationalized Health care system be more cost effective than private health insurance care. That simply means that a Nationalized healthcare system will transfer the extra costs to the taxpayer, in which case this system is equally bad(if not worse) than the current system. The government will either NOT follow the regulations(in which case why not eliminate the regulations now and reduce the costs), or the government will follow the regulations(and since the govt is no more efficient than private sector, it will be cost the same). Either way the private health care sector for middle class will be killed because the taxpayers will be paying for healthcare anyways.

 

Some people still do not agree after this argument, but they can now, never say that govt will do a better job than private sector, they all say 'well it doesn't matter, all I am saying is that I cannot afford the private health insurance and I want the government to pay for it(i.e. I want other taxpayers to pay for my insurance).


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renegade_division
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Posted on: June 25, 2009 - 5:55pm #1

I was wondering if Gard could make a podcast episode about it


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HOO-HAA
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Posted on: June 28, 2009 - 3:39am #2

Gard did a wonderful job, already, on the healthcare plans - analysing Obama's speech paragraph by paragraph. You should check it out - it's good stuff.

I agree with what you're saying - both from your perspective as well as from another perspective. I live in Northern Ireland and we fall under the UK's NHS (National Health Service).

Weirdly, because the NHS is inferior - long waiting lists, poor resources, axing of staff and hospitals, over worked doctors and nurses etc. - many people opt for private health care - BUPA etc. My own father is awaiting treatment relating to cancer and he has been forced to consider private health care as an option, due mainly to the waiting list for his treatment.

I've worked for a charity that provides care to elderly people in their home. However, over here, the Goverment often buys in the services of such charities to do the work they are under-resourced to do. It's the same for care homes etc. Kinda like admitting they can't do the job, properly, but still clinging onto the reins - that's goverment for you!

Surely Obama should have considered the ongoing failure of NHS before ram-roading it through in the states?  

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mothyspace
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Posted on: June 29, 2009 - 3:51am #3

My very own special cabal podcast on healthcare is almost ready. Currently editing it as I write this. Will cut it as an NTSC video/audio windows media file as I've added a picture to it that you might like. G-man, will email you with the files for broadcast in the next 24hours.

Expect fireworks heh.

Cheers,

mothyspace

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HOO-HAA
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Posted on: June 29, 2009 - 1:45pm #4

Hey mothy - that sounds cool, matey! :)

Will it be available through the LC itunes pods?


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mothyspace
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Posted on: June 29, 2009 - 6:22pm #5

indeed.


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HOO-HAA
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Posted on: July 1, 2009 - 2:41pm #6

Mega.